phone call to georgia secretary of state, republican brad raffensperger a year ago. begging him to find the 11,780 votes to overcome joe biden's win in that state. the judge's order says the grandeur will begin hearing evidence on made the second and, quote, may make recommendations concerning criminal prosecution. according to the atlanta journal-constitution, the investigation goes beyond trump's phone call and will include, quote, the abrupt resignation of the former atlanta-based u.s. attorney, bj park, and november 2020 call with senator lindsey. and false claims made by trump attorney, rudy giuliani, during a hearing before the georgia senate judiciary committee. the report adds that willis will previously argue that appointing a special grand jury was necessary because a significant number of witnesses and perspective witnesses have refused to cooperate.

as that investigation picks up steam in the house and the investigation committee will be talking with at least one former member of trump's cabinet. specifically, bill barr, you may recall that even the ultra loyal barr refused to go along with trump's whole stolen election scheme. and told the associated press, there was no widespread fraud. committee chairman, benny thompson, has confirmed the panel is in talks with barr. and it's also looking into a draft executive order that would've prevented the defense department to seize voting machines all across the united states. >> we have had conversations with the former attorney general already, we have talked to the department of defense individuals. we are concerned that our military was part of this big lie on promoting that the election was false. >> political reports former new york city police commissioner and allies, bernie kerik, told investigators that that plan to seek voting machines was the work of an ex army colonel need phil waldron.

waldron also circulated a powerpoint that urged trump to declare a state of emergency after the election. that would've been illegal as the former a.g. likely would've advised the former president. earlier this evening, another member described the investigation with barr >> they were informal conversations done by the investigative staff with the former attorney general. he was in a key spot, saw a lot and will remember that there are a lot of things that i didn't agree with the former attorney general about. but at the end, he did say that these claims of voter fraud were baseless. >> would you say he's cooperating with your committee? >> i don't know -- what does that mean. he is willing and has in fact had conversations with our investigator.

>> as the committee continues its we're trying to get to the bottom of the capitol insurrection, the former house speaker, newt gingrich, another trump ally, has reportedly been advising -- and offered up this warming of the upcoming midterms and beyond. >> i think when you have a republican congress, this is all going to come crashing down. and the wolves are going to find out that they're now sheep. and they are the ones in fact who are going to face a real risk of jail for the kind of laws they are breaking--. while that threat did not sit well with committee vice chair, republican liz cheney who posted this on twitter, quote, a former speaker of the house is threatening jail time for members of congress who are investigating the violent january 6th attack on our capital and our constitution. this is what it looks like when the rule of law unravels. this is also would make authoritarian looks like too. the man who actually did when the 2020 election is facing an escalating crisis in your. where there are growing fears of a russian invasion of ukraine. today, president biden put 8500 u.s troops on high alert for possible deployment.

at the state department is now evacuating family and some staff from ukraine. nato, in the meantime, is not moving more military equipment into eastern europe since russia has shown no sign of removing any of the hundred thousand troops it has stationed along the eastern border with ukraine. late this afternoon, biden held the secure video with european allies about the russian military threat and the possibility of sanctions should the kremlin make a move. >> i had a very, very, very good meeting. -- >> how speaker nancy pelosi and chuck schumer both asked that the white house brief all members of congress on the tense situation in ukraine. and late tonight, the white house was contending with the controversy of an entirely different sort created by a hot mic moment. it all occurred when the white house correspondent for fox tried to shut a question to the president on the issue of inflation. >> will you take questions on inflation then?

>> thank you. >> do you think inflation is a political liability ahead of the midterms? >> it's a great asset. more inflation. what a stupid son of a bitch >> not long ago they reported that the president called him tonight and told him quote, it is nothing personal pal. with that, let's bring in our lead off guests on this monday night. yamiche alcindor, anchor and moderator of washington week on pbs and political contributor for msnbc. ashley park, pulitzer prize -winning white house bureau chief of the washington post. and professor melissa murray of the nyu law school, she was a law school clerk before her nomination to the supreme court thank you all for joining me. melissa, let me start with you. you are the law professor on the panel. the atlanta journal-constitution writes this about the decision to appoint a grand jury.

special grand juries, which include 16 to 23 people are rare in georgia. they can't issue indictments but they can't subpoena witnesses and compel the production of documents and information. how big a win is this for the district attorney in georgia? and how could this help advance our investigation? i know we've asked this question before but could trump be in real legal trouble here? >> i think it's a significant development for da willis down in georgia. one of the things a special grand jury can do is that it could focus exclusively on a single investigation as opposed to the general grand jury that has to investigate a wide range of different crimes. so this would be purely focused on the trump investigation, and again, it can't issue indictments. but he can subpoena witnesses. and given that many witnesses have exhibited at this point, it would be really helpful to da willis if those subpoenas can be issued and those witnesses can testify. >> it is going to be fascinating what happens there in the coming weeks and months. yamiche, donald trump was clearly obsessed with georgia.

if you remember, on 1-6 in this rally on 1-6 in that now notorious speech, he now mentioned -- have a listen. >> we are leading pennsylvania, michigan, georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes. and then late in the evening, or early in the morning, boom. georgia, georgia, they defrauded us out of a win in georgia. georgia, georgia, georgia. they missed georgia that much. i love georga. and that do. it's a corrupt system. georgia, georgia, georgia. >> georgia, georgia, georgia. given all of that, we know that the 1-6 committee is looking to overturn the election at the federal level. do we know whatever the committee is making at the local and state level in places like georgia? >> well, thanks for having me on tonight. really, we do know that lawmakers who are on the

january six house select committee, they have a team of lawmakers and aides who are looking specifically at former president trump's effort to try and influence local elected officials and local election officials to try and overturn the election. so, of course, georgia is going to be at the center of that. also remember that there were michigan lawmakers that were brought to the white house. and the president, was talking to them about the election. there was also officials in pennsylvania that were present. trump reported-- so what you see here really is lawmakers in the january six select committee taking this very seriously, but you also see, in, georgia da willis taking it very seriously. also in some ways, making a very clear to the people who were on that call, including brad raffensperger, who had the-- to record this. called that they were needed to be witnesses. according to the da, including brad raffensperger that they are not wanting to be involved in this case. they are not wanting to comply with her and cooperate with her as witnesses.

which is why she wanted the special grand jury to be in panel. and the grand jury, is to subpoena people, it's literally to compel people to testify. so it's interesting to see -- sorry not to subpoena people but to indict folks. so it's very interesting to me to see that one, this going after a local officials. who, at the time were obviously alarmed by former president trump's pressure. but that they are at a federal level investigating and looking into the former presidents actions. >> yeah, and when we think about the raffensperger phone call, you mentioned the michigan meeting. those are only the conversations that we know about that trump had with state officials. who nobody said on the phone calls that we don't know about. actually, there's been a lot of focus on which trump allies were not cooperating with the 1-6 panel. meadows, i'm bedlam -- but now we're learning about those who are like bill barr. what does that do to the theory

that all these loyal trump -- are standing by the president. and what might barr be telling the committee? >> i think that you are right that the people who have fought and testified have gotten all the attention. but under the radar, there's a number of people like bill barr, the vice former president chief of staff-- who have been with little fanfare, going up and cooperating with this committee. and what it tells you is that, first of all, not everyone in trump's orbit is fighting. for various reasons, there are some people who don't want to risk the subpoena or don't want to fight a subpoena. there are some people who were, frankly, alarmed by what the president said and did in the run up to january six. and as someone who's tried to report on this, with the january six-- one of the challenges is that there was a very small group of people left in the white house in the west wing and former president trump's orbit at that time. but some of these people, like

bill barr, he was there through christmas, i think the official day was november 23rd. he was there that day. these are people who actually have real firsthand visibility in what the president was saying, doing, thinking, ordering his team to do. and that is going to be incredibly helpful to the january six committee. >> yeah, and of course i should point out that bill barr was a loyal a.g. but as soon as he said there was no fraud, trump started attacking him as he does attack many of his former employees. pretending that they were always useless apart for when he hired them and praised them. melissa, max boot has a new piece out in the washington post. former republican, never trumper. headline, sorry progressives, the criminal justice system is unlikely to save us from trump. he points out that mueller and two impeachment trials came and went trump is still a free man. it's unlikely a former president will ever be in person in the united states. he's got a point, hasn't he? >> well, i think this president

has given ronald reagan a run for his money in terms of being the teflon president. but it's unclear how far this will actually go. again, i think that criminal investigation in georgia on unlike toro front is the only criminal investigation into the events leading up to the january six insurrection that can actually be traced. that could be incredibly promising. of course, any conviction that could come from a trial there would be appealed in the georgia state court which are controlled by republicans. that could be problematic. but i'm not sure the max boot is entirely right that all hope is lost. that there would be criminal accountability for all of the acts -- >> so, let's stop talking about the former guy now. let's talk about the current guy. let's talk about what joe biden is up. two crisis in europe, ashley, what is the white house for tonight on the situation ukraine? is there an expectation that will be a military

confrontation at least between the ukrainians and the russians if not only the u. s. troops? or is diplomacy still viable option from the white house's point of view? >> well, president biden in the administration in general are a very fluid situation for any of their allies will tell, and are still trying to figure out what are right now the best deterrent and best parts to take. -- especially after you came out the press conference and said he is going to be traveling around the country and getting out the bubble more and to handle this crisis. there's a number of agencies in the administration that we believe that russia is going to invade the ukraine. that sort of attack is intimate by february. but, they really don't know. i think we'll learn more from capitol hill tomorrow. but again, they are putting more troops on alert. they are taking a more aggressive posture. but we sort of don't know because they have not made any official decision yet.

>> yes, it's tense times. and in the middle of tense times, we've got this little blowup this evening. so earlier today at the white house, we mentioned joe biden's off mic moment with the fox reporter. yamiche, i want to bring you in here and ask about this comment that biden made. how much was that the president letting off steam irritated with the fox reporter not realizing the mic is on? how much is that an outrageous attack on the press? i mean, you are someone, who i remember, received some pretty vicious personal attack from the former president in the briefing room. is this anything comparable? what do you make of this whole incident today? >> i think it's fair to say that the president of the united states, whether democrat a republican, should not be cursing at reporters. whether they are frustrated that them or they don't like the question. i do see of course that he had a relationship with president

biden. his question was on inflation was a pretty incredible thing to be asking the president on about today. and throughout this time we're seeing record highs. obviously, if you are supported president biden, you see this as him blowing off steam and him sort of attacking a president. at attacking a reporter, rather. but if you are a reporter, like, me when i hear from my fellow reporters is that this is not a good look for this administration, a reporting is that peter got a call from the president of the united states tonight, apologizing, and asking him to move forward. what you see there is also president biden recognizing that this is not an appropriate thing to do and apologizing to this reporter. >> yeah, i'm not sure how many times donald trump rang up people like yourself to apologize. i am going to guess, zero. melissa, last question to you before we run out of time. while this is going, on christmas in europe. legal challenges in georgia. am i right seeing that the far-right supreme court that we likely have is about to strike down affirmative action in higher education? is that what you understand is

going on in these new cases? >> i think it's very likely, the court took certain two cases, one from harvard and one from the university of north carolina, both pose real question -- the last time the court took this up was in 2016. of course, the court is incredibly different constituted now, in that 2016 case. it was justice kennedy who wrote for a 4-3 through majority. now the court is stacked with the system three super majority of conservatives. three of whom were appointed by president trump. i think it's unlikely that we are going to see affirmative action continue in the form that we know, it whether or not they will dismantle it entirely is entirely up to the court and they will take up that case next term. >> melissa, i think it's fine i think all of the supreme court justices will follow the law and not their own political bias as i promise you.

michelle, ashley parker, melissa murray, we will have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time. as the u.s. prepares equipment and troops for ukraine, how close are we really to war? alaska former u.s. ambassador to russia and nato why swing state arizona, yet again a troubling microcosm of where today's republican stand on imaginary voter fraud and very real voter suppression. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a monday night. stay with us.

>> there is no reason for this to come down. there is no reason for this to

come and have another land war in europe. and that is why we want to continue to pursue a diplomatic path forward here. we don't believe that vladimir putin has made a final decision to launch yet, another invasion, or encourage into ukraine. we still think there's time and space for diplomacy. there is not going to be any push in the united states out of europe. we have a very sizeable force posture there >> the pentagon press secretary responding to warnings from former intelligence officer, that russia is hoping to infect the u.s. from europe. here's what she wrote in today's new york times. getting out of the current crisis for choirs acting, not reacting. the united states needs to shape the diplomatic response and engage russia on the west terms, not just russia forging a united front with european allies and rallying border support should be america's longest game. otherwise the saga could indeed mark the beginning of the end of america's military presence in europe. back with us, michael--. former invested or to russia and former-. - his book is titled from cold war to hot piece. the american ambassador in putin's russia. michael, thank you so much for

coming on the show tonight. how much room do you actually have for the diplomacy on russia even -- interestingly, ukraine's old national secretary he doesn't believe invasion is imminent and we should avoid panic. do you believe putin has made a final decision? >> mehdi, i don't believe there's been a final decision. i want to underscore. i don't know if he's made a final decision. i don't believe president biden knows. no i don't think foreign secretary minister knows-- he likes to have uncertainty. he likes for us to be negotiating amongst ourselves before we negotiate with him. and, if i had to guess, i think he's still waiting to make the final decision and remember, the final decision is not invade or not. in between doing nothing and marching soldiers and options in between. that's a good point. and there was a point you posted over the weekend that i wanted to ask you about.

here's what you said, quote, since 1945 until today, u.s. soldiers have been stationed in germany to deter soviet threaten our russian threat. i don't recall german leaders describing these deployments as too provocative to moscow. now, aside from the fact that the usa, with the u.s. ussr invaded germany and took over berlin in, i'm just wondering, are you suggesting with that analogy that we should have a permanent decades-long deployment of u.s. troops in ukraine as we have had in germany since the war? >> no. i wasn't. it was a reference to a much smaller debate. that we are having longer allies in german allies -- and there are some politicians in europe and some people in the united states that believe increasing military assistance to ukraine right now is provocative. and my point is, that is deterrence. that is a way to try and deter and not to escalate war. and we can disagree about this arguments.

but a conversation with senior ukrainian officials, including president zelensky, when i hosted him here several months ago, they want more military assistance. because they know that we are not gonna fight for them. needles not gonna fight for them. everybody is crystal clear about. that so they want to have the ability for themselves to try and deter a russian escalation of the military intervention. let's remember, 14,000 ukrainians have already died in this russian ukrainian war. >> yes, this was been known for years, sadly. and it hasn't got enough press attention. you mentioned deterrence. some people argue, well, giving weapons to ukraine isn't a deterrent. it's just more likely to lead to more of the provocation, that you just noted,. new york times argues that we should avoid war with russia at all costs. and he suggests a strategic retreat of all sorts. he goes on to write, given

those realities and the pressing need to concentrate american power in east asia to counter china, it's clear enough where an ideal retreat could end up with nato expansion permanently tabled, with ukraine subject to inevitable russian pressure but neither invaded nor annexed and with our nato allies soldering more of the border of retaining a security perimeter in eastern europe. do you disagree with that? >> yes and no. first of all, president biden agreed with that. he would be a one term president. i think it's very important to understand their domestic politics that he has to think about as well as policy implications. but on the policy implications, we basically have all of that, everything that was just described there. nato expansion, there hasn't been a major wave of nato expansion since. there has not been any conversation about ukraine joining nato in any serious sense since. i served five year in the obama administration. i was in every meeting with the president, with putin and president -- at the time. never once did this issue come up. why is it coming up today?

because putin is inventing. this as a reason to threaten ukraine. he is inventing this crisis about nato expansion. and therefore, i think it would be a catastrophic mistake. to react to invent a crisis that he has set up on the borders of ukraine. >> so on that note, and you mentioned the domestic politics in the u.s. let's talk about the domestic politics in russia. sometimes, we reduce countries to their leaders. especially countries we are post. but let's go beyond putin for a moment. among the russian people of a hole, is it not a general sentiment that nato and the west, needs to back off? isn't that a priority for russia as a whole not just for putin? >> it is today, it's a great question, but it hasn't been continuously that way for 30 years. i think that's a great new important thing to remember. there were other russian leaders who are not talking about the threat of nato. i want your listeners to go google precedent -- speech at

the nato 2010 list and sentiment, and see what that russian leader was saying about nato at the time. second point is, the russians also don't want to go to war with ukraine. if you read the public opinion, polls and remember it's an autocracy, so it's hard to know if they're active or not. the vast majority seek ukrainians as -- there is also family ties, ethnic ties, and deep historical ties. they don't want to go to war for ukraine over some, you know, long term threat of nato years decades down the road. >> yeah. let's, hope no one wants to go to work when it comes down to it. and, everyone, you've got your homework at home. google that speech. but not till the show is over. former ambassador, michael mcfaul, i appreciate you taking time to speak with us. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up, what could actually stop republicans from one prominent voice but, it laughing all the way to election day. that's when the 11th hour continues after this short break. continues after this short break.

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is the republicans are laughing all the way to election day. they have not seen cast one bloody vote. which shows us where they are at. and we have to change that. >> to that point from senator bernie sanders, a new nbc poll shows a distinct disadvantage for democrats heading into the midterms. republicans have a double digit lead on enthusiasm. 61% to 47% for democrats.

with us tonight simone sanders former chief spokesperson for the vice president, she will be hosting an upcoming show here on msnbc and on our streaming channel. the choice on peacock. and susan del percio. political analyst and veteran political strategist. thanks for both for joining. the susan let me start with. your what is your reaction to that nbc poll? midsummer elections have traditionally had low turnout, this one is pretty vital. how do you get democrats to get excited? >> first, let me start off with, i can't believe i'm going to say, this but i agree with bernie sanders. republicans are laughing all the way, because they don't have to take a vote. the way democrats start changing the environment. is by taking votes that they can win. so, it could be small ball, it could be insulin, it could be kept at 35. dollars which was in build back better. it could be on universal pre-k. there are a lot of different votes that they can take, and get republicans on the record.

i would put a 15 dollar minimum wage for those republicans who like to fancy themselves as progressives. that is how they star at least getting their base more motivated. by seeing them do something, because right now, it is like gloom and doom. it is written in the stone. it is not written in stone, yes it is our history, of always turning the house over, not always, but almost always, party against that's the white house. but there is room in time here. >> well room and time. simone do you agree with that? and i have to ask kamala harris is not just your former boss, bernie sanders is a former boss. do you agree with the senator, here that breaking this thing, up making the republicans and joe manchin and kyrsten sinema evo and the price of insulin. bowen universal pre-k. bowen climate change, is that the way forward to saving democrats seats come the midterms? >> i have worked for a lot of

people. may i agree with the good senator from vermont. and i also agree with parts of what susan said. the reality here is first and foremost, this guy is not falling. polls go up and down. polls are a snapshot about how pieces of the electorate feel at that given time. there is still time here. i would also like to note that democrats have put things, put forward ideas, they put forward legislation. but in the senate in particular, it has been blocked by republicans who have been unwilling to let some of these bills come to the floor for debate. we talked a lot about voting rights over the last couple of, weeks we will continue to do so here on this network. because it will be in the news. the reason the democrats were even able to bring the voting rights freedom to vote act and john lewis advancement act to the floor, was because leader schumer had to go around, using some of these archaic senate rules to get the bills on the, floor because republicans and block debate. i say all this to say.

democrats, they have been working in fighting. which you heard from senator sanders over this, weekend is the suggestion that they have to get a little more crafty. i absolutely do agree. but there is still time, this administration has something to rub on. one last point is i would note this. we talk about a lot of midterm elections and whatnot. midterm elections are november 2022. and i work to governors race in 2014. in a red state for democrats. and in 2014 you could not out of the world's health care, president obama, it's very different this year. democrats across the country, they have something to run on. the bipartisan infrastructure, on the american rescue plan, the progress that this administration has made. yes they are some real challenges confronting this administration, when it comes to inflation, and the pandemic. but democrats still want the president and vice president in their district. i think that is cause for pause here. >> susan, you recently wrote, quote it's time to do triage on

the biden administration. you pointed out that the legislative agenda, the biden agenda, is bleeding out. question to you. you worked on a lot of races. how much do elections really turn on policy? because i know we love talking about is it held, karen kitchen table, issues in pocketbook issues. how much of his it about policy? how much of it is really about people's feelings. peoples identities. what republicans really, our good edge shimmying up his peoples-ing zaidi easing fears and hopes and concerns. how much is it more about that than, strict policy memberships or bills? >> it's not about policies, but it's about anger frankly. that is what midterm elections are mostly about, as a referendum on the party in the white house. and in this case holding the house in the senate. without question, the republicans have used tactics of fear and hate. i will not deny that. at the same time, they also speak directly to people. and not tell them what they

should be feeling, or how they should be feeling about the administration. or their ideas, which right now republicans -- they try and be more relate -able, and say you are right. there is inflation out there. and we do need to struggle. and not struggle, we do need to work together to get this done. it is a struggle out there. it's time for democrats to, the release and i wrote that is i want them to be more aggressive. i actually want them to hold the house and the senate. what policy does, is allow for winds. and give them something to talk about, but they also have to push back a lot harder on republicans. >> yes in the best form of defense is a good offense. also, just bear in mind, donald trump ran for reelection in 2020 with no policy platform, and got 75 million votes. that tells you something disturbing about america today. simone and susan are staying with us. coming up next, how the trump big lie is inspiring dozens of

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weekend, the arizona the arizona democratic party -- democratic party sentience senator senator sinema kyrsten sinema, about her for her vote vote for making an against making an exception to the exception for filibuster. to pass crucial voting griddle voting rights legislation. rights legislation. that that senator is center is a symbolic a symbolic gesture. gesture anthem sinema is not sadly isn't up for up for reelection reelection until until 2024. still, while sinema 2024. still, while sinema does does nothing, nothing, republicans and republicans in her our own stay are own stay are very very busy proposing busy proposing major major changes to changes to arizona arizona election law election law. despite their despite their own review own review of the of the 2020 election they are finding no evidence 2020 they are finding no of fraud. election fraud. and bc nbc news news reports quote, reports quote proposals proposals introduced in the state introduced in the state house house or senate, or senate would would add an additional add an additional layer layer to the to the states voter i.d. states voter i.d. requirements, such as requirements, such as fingerprints, fingerprints and and stipulate to hand stipulate the hand counting counting of all ballots by of all ballots by default. other default. legislation would other legislation require that paper ballots to says paper be disappointed with ballots would holograms and require watermarks. beyond holograms in ridiculous. watermarks. still with us simone still with,

us samantha understand -- sanders in susan del so moan, percio. question question to you, why did joe to you, biden, do you think, why do you think he came so late to the voting rights battle? to publicly oppose the filibuster? he did this great speech in atlanta atlant early in 2021 when he where he was us this very question. asked this fake the president basically said, he had two legislative packages at that point. it was one big package. it was an infrastructure deal, that was broken up bipartisan infrastructure deal, in the build back better agenda. any wanted to get those done. in the next legislative fight he would take on would be voting rights. votes can debate and argue whether that was the best strategy. in terms of publicly the

president himself, publicly coming out on those issues. he said why. he said he didn't think he'd be able to get the support of all of the senators, and members of congress that he needed. if he started with the voting rights first, that was in first is thinking. hide say is 2020. now the reality is, yes the vote on the debate of the bills, the debate in the actual vote of the bills in the filibuster did fail last week. but is that over? democrats can bring the bills to the floor in different ways. they can break the bills up. there is bipartisan, or there should be rather, bipartisan need and sense of urgency to address these issues. the bills you're talking about in arizona, they don't just affect democrats. the affect voters period. democrats, republicans, young folks, old folks. we have allowed this conversation about voting rights, as if only it's something that affects democrats or is just an issue if you were in for black folk years. it's an issue for democracy, and that's what we should be

discussing it. >> yes indeed. that is how we should be discussing. it's interesting we there is no bipartisan support, but there is a new bipartisan push to reform the very archaic electorate contacts of the 19th century. which some would argue helped cause the 16 events. do you think that's good enough? can democrats trust mitch mcconnell in company on these particular reform, breaking it off from the rest of the voting rights registration? in doing a deal just to affix -- >> i think they should get it done. at least it is something that you can point to and say we achieved. this there is talk about biden doing a couple of executive orders, on voting rights, he should get that done as well, it goes back to our previous conversation. get the victory as you can. simone is absolutely right, about this being an issue though. that affects all of americans. it affects democrats, and republicans. that disastrous bill in arizona, is going to make it so hard for

people in arizona, all people, all of them. to vote the way that they used to votes, it will up and the system. ironically it will be one republican, in the state senate, that prevents this from becoming law. because the state legislature in arizona is 18 to 16 republican democrat. and this one republican, will not sign on to its. it probably will not go anywhere. in this is probably more election day propaganda, if you will. these are very dangerous times. we should be focused on expanding access to the ballot, not restricting it. yeah, when you have to manchin running around congress saying well -- if he lying, is he being ignorant, his from west virginia -- but when you have kristen sinema who is from arizona, someone argued ground zero on voter suppression, it is bizarre how this has been allowed to continue. simone, i had congressman --

on msnbc, this is what he had to say about senator sinema and manchin. >> these two senators have agency, we can't just give an excuse that everyone else did into their jobs. no. these are adults, these are people who've had opinions by the way about the filibuster in the past. matter-of-fact us a month ago they voted to exempt the -- filibuster. so that is what we need to focus on. we need to make sure people understand that this senator, senator sinema, and senator manchin purposefully -- this agenda and how purposefully -- other democratic agendas when we should hold them accountable by whatever means we can. >> simone, it's a time for joe biden as leader of the party, not just this, president to be i don't know, a bit more i'll p.j. ask and call these senators out, hold them accountable for sinema who is vulnerable in arizona, shouldn't there be political consequences for joe manchin and especially kristen sinema? >> well i don't know about

franken there would, i will say that the president has -- look i think the president has been as clear and frankly he can be. he went, he's gone up to the senate at this way at least two times two senate caucus luncheon to make the case for his agenda. once on the build back better agenda, and once on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. then he did it again most recently on voting rights. so the president is using the tools in his -- one of the white house. kristen sinema is receiving consequences for not just her vote against, or her unwillingness to support the agenda last week, but her vote against raising the minimum wage in the covid-19 relief bill. her unwillingness frankly to be clear about where she stands on a number of bills. there's not a democratic party they got elected, and if they are willing to censure her so publicly two years before national election it must be some things cooking in the water. >> yes, outrageous that

millions of democratic voters and activists can relate to the fact that you can just -- it's outrageous. we'll have to leave it there, thank you both for your time tonight, we appreciate it. coming up, why some virginia school districts are already suing over an executive order from newly-inaugurated trump supporting governor glenn youngkin. that is when the 11th hour continues. ungkin that is when the 11th hour continues.

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centered on education controversies, virginia's new republican governor is fulfilling one key promise he made, affective today masks are no longer required in virginia's public schools, or at least that is what the governor says. but glenn youngkin is finding out it's not quite that simple, that's nbc news correspondent katie beck reports >> my children will not come to school on monday with a mask on. to mask, or not to mask, a

question now reaching a boiling point in virginia schools. >> we must keep our counties masks in place, not only do we need, it but we have students demanded. >> in effect monday, newly affected governor glenn youngkin's executive order allowing parents to decide whether or not their child should wear a mask at school. undoing the previous statewide mandate. >> it means that our son will be able to breathe more freely and we look forward to this day for a very long time. >> while some districts are celebrating in the new direction, others stand firmly against saying it puts children 's help that safety and risk at a critical time. several districts refusing to comply with the order and requiring students to continue wearing masks. seven of them now taking youngkin to court, challenging an order they call unconstitutional. >> i honestly don't make it in masks forever, it is just not

feasible. but, they know it's the right thing to do to protect others. >> the governor's office responding that they will defend their order as the legal process plays out. they are disappointed that the school boards are ignoring parents rights. youngkin himself tweeting guidance on the ongoing battle over the weekend. i urge everyone to love your neighbor, to listen to school principals, and to trust the legal process. >> and this issue is not unique to virginia, we are seeing similar school standoffs happening in texas, arizona, and florida. these cases could likely end up in court and could take weeks, even months to be decided. in richmond virginia, i'm katie back for nbc news. >> coming up, president biden made some choice remarks about a report today. given what the former -- debate about civility again. when the 11th hour continues.

-- that's a great asset. more inflation. talk -- >> the last thing before we go tonight, president biden's frustrations with fox correspondent who picked up on a hot mic this evening. some on the right were quick to attack biden for saying such a thing. but you know, i don't know about, you but i feel like i've heard that kind of a language sometime before. where? >> get that -- off the field right now. he's day -- i will tell you. we took -- that out didn't we. i hope you understand you -- don't understand. as people screaming at him don't say that you -- . >> not to mention the fact that trump called mitch mcconnell a --

at an rnc donor event last april. while i prefer biden didn't call reporters names even those who pretend news organizations like fox. we can't ignore the fact that the didn't just call people -- he called the press the enemy of the people. he recklessly incited violence against us. don't forget that. that is our broadcast for this monday night, with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news. goodnight. tonight on all in. >> even in hitler germany you would cost of switzerland you can hide in the attic like anne frank. >> american distill be on the steps of the lincoln memorial. >> none like the nuremberg trials that only tried those doctors that destroyed the human beings. we're gonna come after the press that lied to the world. >> tonight, the anti vax movement in america and its

political and cultural societal impact. then the special grand jury investigation as a key trump figure volunteers for a committee interview. plus, senator chris murphy on where america stands as a russian threat to ukraine continues and how donald trump's chosen governor virginia is already doing his best to make his boss proud. >> glenn gets in there, virginia to lower taxes to all the things that we want a governor to do. >> all in starts right now. good evening from new york i'm chris hayes the anti-vaccine movement has been coming out in washington, d. c., this weekend as almost 2000 americans are still dying every single day from covid. and all data we have access to says the vast overwhelming of geordie of them are unvaccinated several. thousand people showed up to the